Fred Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Yesterday my dealer told me he was taking delivery of a new 600 direct injection sled. Claims 30 mpg and fill the oil once a year. Then he says "top secret..don't tell anyone". This morning on Dootalk....new sled...I guess the word is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdelabruere Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 I am a die hard Yamaha guy and I gotta say this impresses me. I dont plan on getting a new sled anytime soon but when the time comes if these sled are running 10k plus miles without a rebuilt I may seriously be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smclelan Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 30 mpg with an 8.7 imp gallon tank = 261 miles per tank. WOW that is how you combat the high price at the pumps! Plus 300 miles per liter of oil, another WOW!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Oh I forgot, no smell...none. Instead of @ss and two stroke in the motel room you get just the %ss smell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDI-HAM Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Holy crap the fuel economy has gone from 25 mpg to 30 mpg in less than 24 hours!!! I was reading about it yesterday. I hope that this is something that will work and that 2 strokes do have a future. From what I was reading yesterday the guys with the 2 stroke e-tec (Direct Injection) outboards love them. I would be interested to see how the oiling system will work and see how the whole package is going to be. The SDIs already are sippy on fuel- I wonder if you weigh the extra cost of purchase compared to an SDI if you'll really come out ahead- I'll be kind of like paying an extra 5000$ for a Hybrid car- (5000$ will buy you a lot of gas...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDI-HAM Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 By the way I'll take a 2-stroke smell in my hotel room anyday over an %ss smell- I ride with middle aged beer drinking men... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend700 Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Holy crap the fuel economy has gone from 25 mpg to 30 mpg in less than 24 hours!!! I was reading about it yesterday. I hope that this is something that will work and that 2 strokes do have a future. From what I was reading yesterday the guys with the 2 stroke e-tec (Direct Injection) outboards love them. I would be interested to see how the oiling system will work and see how the whole package is going to be. The SDIs already are sippy on fuel- I wonder if you weigh the extra cost of purchase compared to an SDI if you'll really come out ahead- I'll be kind of like paying an extra 5000$ for a Hybrid car- (5000$ will buy you a lot of gas...) price of the TNT is pretty much inline with the X and equipment wise the TNT is an X with softer suspension so I don;t think price will be too bad. I see this as being my sled for next year assuming no real issues over the rest of the winter. Boats are harder ona motor than snowmobiling given their constant operating RPM's so hoping this will be reliable for 10,000+ miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgallis Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Holy crap the fuel economy has gone from 25 mpg to 30 mpg in less than 24 hours!!! I was reading about it yesterday. I hope that this is something that will work and that 2 strokes do have a future. From what I was reading yesterday the guys with the 2 stroke e-tec (Direct Injection) outboards love them. I would be interested to see how the oiling system will work and see how the whole package is going to be. The SDIs already are sippy on fuel- I wonder if you weigh the extra cost of purchase compared to an SDI if you'll really come out ahead- I'll be kind of like paying an extra 5000$ for a Hybrid car- (5000$ will buy you a lot of gas...) Last night on dootalk it was 21 mpg.... Oil ratio was in the 100:1 range, but that is now elevated as well.... It does look like a nice sled though. The questions I have are about the lubrication of the crank bearings. With only 100:1 oil going directly into the cylinder, those crank bearings are going to be prone to failure. I heard on an evinrude e-tech engine, there is some sort of system that keeps the crank lubricated. Hopefully this engine will have a similar system. Otherwise, it will be hard pressed to last 10-12k. Time will tell. Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smclelan Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Holy crap the fuel economy has gone from 25 mpg to 30 mpg in less than 24 hours!!! That is me making assumptions TDI HAM. I took the info from DooTalk and figured they were talking US gallons, so I converted it to imperial or Canadian gallons. :wacko: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scranton1 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 We have had SDI's and 500SS. The SDI was suppose to be much more fuel efficient? 500SS were consistently equal if not better? Must see to believe.........Unless they plan on putting wheels on it 30MPG IS BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDI-HAM Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 SMCLELAN- No worries, I was just posting was I read yesterday- This news came out last evening on the big french quebec site (CMIQ) and it started a major flooding of comments- As the internet would prove, most of the comments were bashing and plain old crap. I have been a Polaris guy for 9 years now, but ride with Cats, Yammies, and Doos- I don't care who makes it - I go out to enjoy life with whoever who rides whatever. If DI can make the emissions "Police" realize that 2 strokes can burn clean (which most people realize can burn cleanly without DI) this might give the whole "snowmobiles polute are noisey and are not enviromentally friendly" a different outlook. Unfortunately most likely we will still lose rights of passage and be seen as poluters and be fighting an endless battle to save the sport we all love. I've been on a sled since 1977- 31 years- I wonder what the whole snowmobile sport will look like in 2039. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted January 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Last night on dootalk it was 21 mpg.... Oil ratio was in the 100:1 range, but that is now elevated as well....It does look like a nice sled though. The questions I have are about the lubrication of the crank bearings. With only 100:1 oil going directly into the cylinder, those crank bearings are going to be prone to failure. I heard on an evinrude e-tech engine, there is some sort of system that keeps the crank lubricated. Hopefully this engine will have a similar system. Otherwise, it will be hard pressed to last 10-12k. Time will tell. Karl I do believe the lower end is completely sealed...no open crank bearings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plain-rev Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Ilike BRP but filling the oil once a season seems a bit of a stretch, we'll have to wait and see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smclelan Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Ilike BRP but filling the oil once a season seems a bit of a stretch, we'll have to wait and see 300 miles per liter. Tank capacity 3.75 liters. 1125 miles per tank. Average sledder rides 1000 miles per season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doobraap Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 And it said you only have to ADD oil once a year so if you fill it back up mid way that's 2000 miles only adding once. Of course the etec oil will be $100/gallon...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend700 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 And it said you only have to ADD oil once a year so if you fill it back up mid way that's 2000 miles only adding once. Of course the etec oil will be $100/gallon...... it's less than $50 for the boat oil per gallon and it should be the same stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revct1 Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 The 600 DI is alive and breathing. I saw one with my own eyes. It is a Rotax short block with an Evinrude head on it with the DI mounted on top. It is a little quieter than the 600 SDI. Supposedly it is in the 25 mpg range :D (US gallon or Imp gallon?) and 500 km (300 miles) on a liter of "DI" oil. It is made to run on 87 octane. 118 hp is what I'm told. There is at least one of these out there on the trails. It is yellow (of course) but has 600 SDI stickers on it. Has anyone else seen it yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleddless Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 i heard the way it works is a computer only calls for oil when it reads temps rising most of the engine inside is all coated with a ceramic type coating (like a teflon) that reduces heat by as much as 20% ? and of course this reduces friction by a large percentage to reduce oil consumption by as much as maybe 20% meaning it runs very lean on oil and gas as well they have been testing this engine in sweden and iceland? for about 3-4 years known as a lynx model so if you were in either country you might have been passed on the trails by this proto type and didnot know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revct1 Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 I forgot to mention yesterday that the DI does not need a battery to operate (so I`m told). The magneto generates enough power for the DI that a battery is not necessary. If you order an electric start, a battery comes with the sled, of course, for the starter. If you don`t order electric start, you use the old pull rope and it runs off the magneto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 1 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 We have had SDI's and 500SS. The SDI was suppose to be much more fuel efficient?500SS were consistently equal if not better? Must see to believe.........Unless they plan on putting wheels on it 30MPG IS BS. I just got 16.4 MPG on my 05 600 SDI over a 1200 mile trip. What kind of mileage do the 500SS's get??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smclelan Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I have an 08 GSX 600 HO SDI on a recent trrip to PQ I checked the mileage on one tank and got 23.75 mpg (imp gal). These sleds are advertised to give 21mpg. My oil consuption was very close to what they advertised for the DI's. The manufactures realize that they need to make these machines easier on gas & oil if they expect people to ride them all winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikerider Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 My new TNT 500SS is getting about 15 to 20 % better than the 3 different SDI`s I rode with this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smclelan Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 The local dealer here in Nova Scotia is giving me his demo DI next week for a ride set up by the provincial association with some of the provincial ministers. I will report my ride impressions after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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