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TQ 3 might not open to go north this winter , CLUB  Lynx says they do not want to groom  that way , to connect St Canut to  lake Louisa area . FCMQ and HIBOU  BLANC are trying to work something out . This is a important trail to the North . PLEASE    help by sending email to the Lynx club and the fcmq.  U can check this out on FB>  club hibou blanc

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If I'm not mistaken this is not the first time Hibou blanc has had issues with their trail system as it connects to the Lynx club. We get enough disconnects in the trail system due to loss of right of ways and other issues beyond a club or the FCMQ's control. On the surface it would seem very short sighted of the Lynx club to decide to abandon a trail.

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13 hours ago, grumpysanta said:

yes i would agree , the pine hill club is trying to fix the problem with meetings with fcmq . the trails around lachute have taken a hit in last few years.. if all clubs thought i that we will no longer have inter connected trails.

Yes, we lost two important trails here and almost lost the railwaybed from Arundel to St Remi due to a clubs poor management a few years back. As the story goes, first the president of the club had a fight with a land owner and managed to lose a right of way that goes back to the seventies. It branched off the Arundel trail passed through near Barkmere connecting the Relais des Pins and beyond. Around the same time this same president refused to let a land owner plow a small section of the railway bed going from Weir to Lac Des Seize Ile  on Lac Des Pin to make easier winter access to her cottage. She closed her section that she owned of the railway bed and we lost that trail. The trail on the railway bed from Weir/ Arundel to St Remi was virtually a dead end and since that club had no direct access to it from other trails in their sector, they rarely groomed it. Lucky it was taken over by Diable et Rouge club and they maintained it. As you  probably know Grumpy, things started looking up again when Hebou Blanc got the trail pushed through from Lakeveiw to Weir and we are no longer on a long dead end. It takes good foresight and clubs with good people skills and negotiating skills to keep us interconnected these days.

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I agree 100% , you have to take care of land owners , i remember the trail to the relais now u have to do a fifty km. detour and axcees to st adolfe de howard was lost so no way to get to ste. agathe . another closure now that dead ends in village of---------- . also st jovite have problems ..  hope for the best . what club do u belong.

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I belong to Diable et Rouge. I could  support Hebou Blanc as they come into Weir now but, I have been supporting Diable since they took over the Weir to St Remi and the trail over the mountain from the relais to 16 Island. They are also the club that is spear heading getting the bypass trail from Tremblant to St Agathe going. How about you Grumpy?

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that dead end was Brebeuf i believe ..i am now a director with LES DEUX VERSANTS in RIGAUD and we keep the west route to the north trails open either to st Placide and two Cushing from chute de blondeau  ..I USED to help out   Hibou BLANC club with selling passes and volenteer work but gave that up when i asked for a favor and was refussed after helping and supporting for years . before that i was a director with the ile Bizard club . until i moved away. I would love to know what happened with Lynx club to stop dozing 21 km of trails . from what i have seen the are blaming some other club for  their budget problems..

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The dead end in Brebeuf was caused by the municipality not wanting to let sleds cross the Rouge on the bridge sidewalk through town anymore I believe. You can still cut through the town from either end without crossing that bridge as I think you and road runner found out last year. The main trail crosses the Rouge on an ice bridge just out side of town Both ends where they branch off the main trail are marked as dead end but the locals use that route and it cuts off a good 20 min over going around the re routed trail. 

The dead end I was talking about was Weir. After all the closures the only legal way to or from Weir was take the railway bed all the way from or to St Remi. Along way, maybe 25 km. To get to Lake Macdonald or Sixteen one could chance it and run some back roads or run the closed railwaybed to Sixteen. Not the best options but hey if your land locked, you do what you have to do. I don't know enough about the Lynx club to speculate on their reasoning but IMO if it is financial issues, abandoning grooming any trail to save money will drive people to support a neighbouring club that does a better job.

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yes we found the way out of brebeuf by the road to sand pit. and yes have used the closed trail from weir to 16 and back the detour is just too long by the paintball place . the new trail, is good but you miss out on a couple lunch spots  as st remi has nothing nor does weir so u go to st jovite.  not much else anymore , lots have closed . do u remember Whiskey Jacks in Arundel ?  The way things are going i think the fcmq will take over everything and just leave the work for volanteers. hope not , hope to see u this winter

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Yes would be nice to meet up sometime. Around here progress is in full reverse. One by one the local drinking establishments closed or burnt. Whiskey Jacks was one of the last hang outs. We were there often. Everyone around here knew the owners, sadly it closed, was sold and reverted back to a summer home then burnt down. You are right not much in the way of places to eat anymore. 16 Island I think may still have a restaurant but it is too close to home to stop there. Pine hill ( hotel chasseur ) is decent food. We still go to the little restaurant in Brebuef, Duhamel, or the train station in Labelle depending on the day loop we are doing. Failing that we pack a lunch if if is not too cold. St Jovite sometimes, but it is not my favourite destination by sled these days. We do all our shopping there and are there at least once a week so for me not exciting. 20 min by car and 2hrs by sled. If they ever get the bypass going to St Agathe it will be great. We once ran up the median between the 117 from where the petit train du Nord is closed at St Faustin to St Jovite. Not really that long, maybe 15 km. Doable but not recommended, kept expecting the SQ to stop us but more than one passed while we were ding it and they never bothered us.

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yes to all that , i did not now  WJ burned i know he was converted . yes we lost the little bar south of lac macdonald on the way to the kilmar. lots of gas stops closed like Laurel and resto. Good NEWS today on fb about your club and the reopening of 325 after 13 years , good on your club now they have to get 43 open to 16 , at least we have the new trail to weir,   MOE,S closed up there in jovite too  , some other fast food in there now i think . I stop quite often at the hotel chasseur , i used to know the last two owners for  like 40 years . now new owners for the last couple years but they are putting a real effort in to invite sledders  with gas last year so you did not take the detour and run road to gas bar .I knew quite a few people around their some stopped riding and gromming.ONE friend of mine passed away about 2 or 3 years ago , lived on 329 just out of lachute.

 

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Yeah great news on the 325. I hadn't been on FB Diable page for awhile so I got the news here first. I wish they would connect 16 to Weir but it will never happen down the old railway bed. Did you know that there is a road ( ch de Larose ) right where that new trail comes into Weir. 10 min down that road and you arrive at the now 43 trail running from the relais to 16 closer to the 16 end of it. The road is usually snow covered and very few houses. Don't know why they don't run a trail along the side of it.

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19 hours ago, Cnc said:

Yeah great news on the 325. I hadn't been on FB Diable page for awhile so I got the news here first. I wish they would connect 16 to Weir but it will never happen down the old railway bed. Did you know that there is a road ( ch de Larose ) right where that new trail comes into Weir. 10 min down that road and you arrive at the now 43 trail running from the relais to 16 closer to the 16 end of it. The road is usually snow covered and very few houses. Don't know why they don't run a trail along the side of it.

Thanks for the little tip Norm, I'm going to have a peek in Basecamp and work some worm holes for that area.

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JG, We run that road sometimes when conditions are right which is a lot of the time unless it has been mild. When you come to Weir by the new trail from Lakeview and the trail turns onto a bit of the old railway bed, you cross a road just before entering Weir. ( It has all the big satellite receivers  from Tata communications not far up the road). Turn right on the road and follow it to Jackrabbit Rd about 10 min then left on Jackrabbit. Jackrabbit is a summer bush road and the 4 wheeler club was using it, but it seemed unused last year. Anyway we have been stopped on there by the 4 wheeler club guys and I always explain we have no other way to get to the trail from Weir. Where it joins the sled trail it is a shared trail. They always said ok take it slow. About 1 km down it and you arrive at the 43. Right to 16, left to the relais and or st Jovite. I was up that road the other day in the truck and I did meet a SQ, first time I have seen one on there ever, but you know what to do about that!

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May try that one day but now the new trail makes it shorter to go south from weir or north from louisa .  It is a loss for 16 iland , restos  and gas and dep.plus u save running the  the big 16 lake . May be one day they will reopen st. adolphe to make it a worth while  loop. WHERE is the nearest gas around your place ?

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5 hours ago, grumpysanta said:

May try that one day but now the new trail makes it shorter to go south from weir or north from louisa .  It is a loss for 16 iland , restos  and gas and dep.plus u save running the  the big 16 lake . May be one day they will reopen st. adolphe to make it a worth while  loop. WHERE is the nearest gas around your place ?

No more gas anywhere close Grumpy. We lost Weir and Huberdeau gas last fall. 16, Hotel Chaser in Pine hill, Vendee, St Jovite, Labelle, Duhamel all have gas and are all an easy distance to to top up on the way through to some place else. These days I buy extra gas in Hawksbury when I am down that way with the truck and try to keep 10-15 gallons on hand here for sleds and tractors.

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