Signfan Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Looking for opinions. Which is the better setup for moderately aggressive trail riders. What has everyone's experience been. Please comment on which skid you're running (rev xs vs gen 4) as well as I'm told results are different on each skid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
800steve Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) I really like the new TS ski on the 2020, the 7" carbide works pretty good in all conditions. I like the adjustability. Add a set of Woodys Navigators and no darting at all. Edited April 2, 2020 by 800steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHsrx701 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 SnowTrackers.. all day every day... no darting at all. Once you rid a sled that doesn't dart, you will never go back! Florida Snowman and NSHM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeusand Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 I stopped darting completely over 20 years ago when I switched to Simmons flexi ski which was recommended to me by New England Bob. Anytime I've ridden one of my buddies sleds I can't deal with the darting. Even more so the sliding especially around the corners. I would like to try the snow trackers as mine do have a lot of ski pressure and it is tougher to steer but I'd rather have that than the alternative. PLAYHARD and quebec bob 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snohorse Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Ran the Bergstrom skegs triple points 6" carbide this past season on my BCX Gen 4, Pilot DS-2 skies . 100 percent haul ass straight and stick it to the right set up ! PLAYHARD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4ws XRS Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Have a 17 X and 18 XRS both have TS skis, have shimed skis for many years, I like the idea of adjusting the carbide for conditions, they do push in soft snow, so I updated to the 20 TS ski. But not many miles this season for a few reasons, so I can’t be sure if they are any better. PLAYHARD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quebec bob Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 hours ago, zeusand said: I stopped darting completely over 20 years ago when I switched to Simmons flexi ski which was recommended to me by New England Bob. Anytime I've ridden one of my buddies sleds I can't deal with the darting. Even more so the sliding especially around the corners. I would like to try the snow trackers as mine do have a lot of ski pressure and it is tougher to steer but I'd rather have that than the alternative. Stan , I also switched to Simmons flexi ski and hands down the best skis for tracking like a Porsche and no darting. Yes a little more effort at a stop, but nothing else is even close going down the trail. That sliding loop also takes all the bump feed back out of the steering column. Not many people run them, but everyone who does will use nothing else. After trying them you will instantly know why they sued ski-doo and won. zeusand and PLAYHARD 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipeman Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 I put snow tracker semi aggressive runners on my DS2 skis on a renegade 137 that has a 1.5” ice ripper track., 99% dart free easy steering. My only complaint with them is in soft snow your fuel mileage definitely drops a good 3+ mpg. Usually not a big deal but a bit annoying for sure.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLAYHARD Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Snohorse said: 100 percent haul ass straight and stick it to the right You GO falker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quebec bob Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 56 minutes ago, Pipeman said: I put snow tracker semi aggressive runners on my DS2 skis on a renegade 137 that has a 1.5” ice ripper track., 99% dart free easy steering. My only complaint with them is in soft snow your fuel mileage definitely drops a good 3+ mpg. Usually not a big deal but a bit annoying for sure.... I tried the newer gen 2 flex skis, the wide ones, on my 18 backcountry and like you lost a couple mpg. The original flexi ski is much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snohorse Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 My advise to all sledders if you are having darting problems most likely I believe 95 percentile its due to Suspension not tuned properly. Consider all the advancement and technology put into late model stock skies and skegs. Just saying I have logged over 80K miles in Quebec since 1990. Tuned suspension in 14 new DOO s and one Yamaha Viper 2002 over that time resolved any darting issues. Yes I did replace the steel skies in the mid 90 s with plastic aftermarket set. All years there after all stock skegs with 6" carbides instead of the 4" stock. Correct when the pilot ski stock on my 2004 GSX was first introduced it was similar to the simmons, though I never purchased simmons have tried them on other sleds. My experience with the pilots then had no ski pressure like the simmons. Bergstrom Skegs I tried for Sh#ts and giggles. They are fun, but no necessary ! PLAYHARD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastMark Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 Huge Snowtracker fan here. 5 sleds in a row. Next one will have them before I ride it too. NSHM and Florida Snowman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuse6 Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) My experience, 2018 new 850 Renegade X with TS skis. First season being new thought TS worked pretty good but some darting in certain conditions. 2nd season maybe a bit more objective not as impressed with them especially after putting on the new 7” carbides. Some darting and hard to steer on the cold mornings when trails were froze hard. For this season l bought a new 900T Renegade XRS with 5.7 skis. Put Aggressive Snow Trackers on before our first trip. Wow, zero darting and easy steering. Takes bit of playing getting the right ski pressure initially with shock adjustment. Amazing the difference a couple turns on the front skid shock adjustment makes finding the balance between steering effort and not pushing in the corners. Summary really happy with the Snow Trackers. Before our last trip to the Gaspe in mid March l put a set of Woody Navigators on the 850 with the TS skis. My wife rode that machine and she said they made a huge difference, really reduced the darting and she liked how it handled much better. Edited April 4, 2020 by Fuse6 PLAYHARD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signfan Posted April 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 34 minutes ago, Fuse6 said: My experience, 2018 new 850 Renegade X with TS skis. First season being new thought TS worked pretty good but some darting in certain conditions. 2nd season maybe a bit more objective not as impressed with them especially after putting on the new 7” carbides. Some darting and hard to steer on the cold mornings when trails were froze hard. For this season l bought a new 900T Renegade XRS with 5.7 skis. Put Aggressive Snow Trackers on before our first trip. Wow, zero darting and easy steering. Takes bit of playing getting the right ski pressure initially with shock adjustment. Amazing the difference a couple turns on the front skid shock adjustment makes finding the balance between steering effort and not pushing in the corners. Summary really happy with the Snow Trackers. Before our last trip to the Gaspe in mid March l put a set of Woody Navigators on the 850 with the TS skis. My wife rode that machine and she said they made a huge difference, really reduced the darting and she liked how it handled much better. Did you ride it with the navigators? Was it as good as the snow trackers? Any darting issues? I put semi aggressive snow trackers on my wife's 14 renegade 900 ace and found them to be great. I really like the adjustment idea on the TS skis though for those fresh snow days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuse6 Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 I only rode the 850 for about 10 km after putting the navigators on and that was on the 587S in the Gaspe just south of Albertville. Trail was fresh groomed and only one sled had beat me to it so really wasn’t a good test in regards to darting. I had been riding my 900T all winter and wanted to try the 850 out again. I hopped on it and was having fun beening the thoughbred they are. Slowed down for a bit and noticed my wife wasn’t behind me. Guess being 75 lb lighter the 900 was pushing bad in the corners and she wanted her machine back . I haven’t heard very many comments on the new designed TS for 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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