Those who like pilot's have never tried Simmons, and I'm sure that there are others that are fine also. The biggest difference is in the "loose" stuff or powder, thats where the pilot's struggle, not much difference on groomed trails. I put Simmons on my 06' Renegade at 0 miles and did a comparison with my friends 06 gade with pilots, in Nov 2005, exact same setup, the difference in powder was amazing. That being said, I have my pilots, that I should sell, if you're interested.