blizzman

That;s too bad, glad they aren`t riding the clouda above... Stay Safe this Season Everyone!!

Super Cool Tamarac. Keep us posted for sure, On aimerait peut etre faire un tour chez vous avant Noel!!

Can someone keep us posted real time ? Sundays forecast could put a damper on Saturday nights accumulation. http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/city/pages/qc-114_metric_e.html

hope it happens.... I need to get this itch out!! maybe a wed ride in store for next week!!

sent you a message>>> we are AMP PSDA members, We are planning a trip in November and have many years experience with November runs to Monts-Valins> :)

If she was who i think you mean, i doubt she will be there if it was siold....it was the owner`s daughter.

Thanks for the info Groomer! frost 4 days in a row is a good start! I guess we will have to wait and see how mother nature treats us in the next couple of weeks. If you here anything please let me know! Merci Encore!

The forecast for Monts Valins in the two next weeks...Will we be sledding up there by the first week of december? Ton Info est tourjours aprécier, Merci mon homme!

thanks for the info. and yes... we need more snow! We all do a great job grooming !! last year was just a bad year for Ours Blanc and pingouin due to machinery failure.

I agree, but i couldn't find the article in english. Thanks Midrange. how are the trails in your area? Club Pingouin hasn't started yet. PSDA is almost done packing. We are sending a groomer up to Danford at the end of this week...

http://lcn.canoe.ca/lcn/infos/regional/arc...220-172233.html Very sad.... it's the begining of the season...please stay safe..

The trail will be groomed and the joncas will operate this year. this outfitter has also purchased a groomer and will do the section leadin to the camps.

lakes and swamps over here in southern Québec are starting to freeze up. about 2 inches of ice. rivers are still open.

Thanks groomer.. we will just have to wait a bit longer i guess...

Some pictures of the Joncas... Plans to rebuild in the spring are underway...

very neet.. thanks for the info Max, Can any one confirm Snow levels in Monts Valins as of now? thanks

No prob. One last thing, they will not be serving the fancy menu as in the past, however the food will still be good, but there will be a limited menu! Cheers!

** news** The Joncas will be open this winter!!!! Cottage #2 will serve as the lodge and kitchen. all cottages will serve for overnight stays! GAS WILL BE AVAILABLE!!!! this is good news! Blizzman

Groomer I am a club director/volunteer. I am also a niveau 3 with the F.C.M.Q. I appreciate all the work. My concerns, are not that those of how much we do, it's the legal system that scares me when it come to injury and death. The article states, and I know the club President very well, that the lawer is using improper signage as the cause for the accident. It just worries me that any excuse can be used by these advocates to sue hard working clubs for the stupidity of others. Thank you for all your hard work. This is the message that i am putting out to you all. Did you read the article or maybe you don"t understand french. I can Translate what I bolded. The Lawyer said that the accident is caused by poor signage. I don't disagree with you, but my awnser is in my above statement. Concerns for the club that any excuse can be used by advocates to sue them. Believe me, I do alot of volunteer, 12 months of the year, from aquiring right of ways to trail developpent to pickets and fundraising events. I am and will alwas remain, a dedicated volunteer and Director on my club. My above statements are my concerns. Yes people are stupid, yes they should have common sense, but the reality is that not all do. And the Only way for us (Clubs and Clubs directors) are to watch out for ourselves. Do most of you realize that Club directors make decisions and that we in turn are responsible for the decisions that we make? Tell me howyou would feel if you ended up in court over a death issue and had to take the Stand. Again, I did not try to stir the pot, i am only giving my insight. Take it as you wish, yell at me if you want. I don't make the laws or the rules. We live in a changing world. Cheers to all, Blizzman

No but they can be sued for improper signage. There are no signs indicating stay right or hill. c'est pas grave qui je suis. Click le lien et vous allez comprendre mes inquietude de signalisation. http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-droit/actuali...d-poursuivi.php Je ne suis pas avec ce club. Publié le 22 décembre 2008 à 23h01 | Mis à jour le 22 décembre 2008 à 23h03 Le club de motoneige Pingouins de Mansfield poursuivi Votre courriel Un entrepreneur forestier de Pembroke a déposé vendredi, une poursuite de 9 millions $ contre le club de motoneige Pingouins de Mansfield à la suite d'un accident survenu sur un des sentiers du club. Le 23 mars 2006, Shannon Clouthier faisait partie d'un convoi de 10 motoneiges parties de Rapides-des-Joachims en direction du Joncas Lodge, en empruntant les sentiers 43 et 63. M. Clouthier conduisait la seconde motoneige. La poursuite mentionne que si le premier motoneigiste a été en mesure de freiner à temps et éviter un banc de neige « invisible » sur cette section du sentier emprunté par le convoi, il en a été autrement pour M. Clouthier. Dans la poursuite, le procureur de ce dernier, Me Benoit Duclos soumet que son client n'a eu aucune possibilité d'éviter le banc de neige avec le résultat que sa motoneige s'est envolée et que la victime a terminé sa course dans le banc de neige de l'autre côté de la route qui est aussi empruntée par des véhicules transportant des troncs d'arbres. Me Duclos soumet qu'il s'agit d'un cas flagrant de mauvaise signalisation pour ne pas dire d'absence totale de signalisation. La configuration des lieux ne permettait aucunement de prévoir un virage à 90 degrés permettant de poursuivre le trajet vers le Joncas, souligne le poursuivant. 12 heures au froid À la suite de cet accident survenu dans un endroit isolé à 70 kilomètres du moindre service, il a fallu 12 heures aux amis de M. Clouthier pour organiser son transport vers l'hôpital. En attente, la victime a donc été immobilisée dans le froid pendant tout ce temps. À la suite des blessures subies, l'incapacité physique de M. Clouthier qui avait 32 ans au moment de l'incident, a été évaluée à 65 % et il se retrouve donc dans l'impossibilité de continuer son emploi, se privant de revenus dépassant 250 000 $ par année. M. Clouthier réclame la somme de 8,7 millions $ pour lui-même, ainsi qu'un montant supplémentaire de 200 000 $ pour sa conjointe. La condition actuelle de M. Clouthier est entièrement imputable, selon la poursuite, à la négligence du club de motoneiges Pingouins de Mansfield.

c. V-1.2, r.1.1 Regulation respecting off-highway vehicles An Act respecting off-highway vehicles (R.S.Q., c. V-1.2, ss. 46 and 87 ; 2004, c. 27, s. 2) DIVISION 5 OFF-HIGHWAY CLUB AND SIGNING 15. All signs erected by an off-highway vehicle club on a trail it operates must be maintained in good condition by the club during the period of use of the trail. O.C. 1222-2004, s. 15. 16. An off-highway vehicle club must erect a red, amber and green traffic signal at all trail crossings and at all intersections referred to in section 2 where there is no mandatory stop sign. O.C. 1222-2004, s. 16. 17. Every off-highway vehicle club must erect the following signs on its trails : (1) the regulatory signs illustrated in Schedule 2, comprising the following : (a) a P-10 mandatory stop sign, in particular for the purposes of section 2 at a crossing of trails laid out for off-highway vehicle traffic or for another sport, unless there is a written agreement between the operators of the trails that ensures safety at the crossing ; (B) a P-70 speed limit sign ; © a P-70-P tab sign installed below a P-70 residential area sign, for the purposes of section 1 ; (d) a P-80-3 sign indicating two-way traffic ; and (e) a P-90-D sign indicating an obstruction to avoid ; (2) the warning signs illustrated in Schedule 3, comprising the following : (a) a D-10-1 sign indicating a stop sign ahead ; (B) a D-50-1 sign indicating a traffic signal ahead ; © a D-90-1 sign indicating the beginning of a divided trail ; (d) a D-90-2 sign indicating the end of a divided trail ; (e) D-110-1-D and D-110-1-G signs indicating a 90° curve ; and (f) D-290-D and D-290-G signs indicating an obstruction or other hazard ; and (3) the roadwork signs illustrated in Schedule 4, comprising the following : (a) a T-50-1 sign indicating roadwork ; (B) a T-50-P tab sign indicating the extent of the roadwork ; © T-80-9 and T-80-10 signs indicating that the trail is closed ; (d) T-90-1, T-90-2-D and T-90-2-G signs indicating a detour ; and (e) T-90-3-D and T-90-3-G signs indicating a detour ahead. O.C. 1222-2004, s. 17. 18. The signs referred to in section 17 and every other sign erected by a club must be the following colours and bear the following markings and numerals : (1) regulatory signs must have a black border 6 millimetres in width set in 4 millimetres from the edge of the sign and bear a black symbol or black letters on a white background, except for the mandatory stop sign, which must bear white letters 127 millimetres in height and have a white border 12 millimetres in width on a red background ; (2) warning signs, with the exception of hazard markers, must have a black border 6 millimetres in width set in 4 millimetres from the edge of the sign and bear a black symbol on a yellow background, except for the D-10-1 sign, which is red ; and (3) roadwork signs must have a black border 6 millimetres in width set in 4 millimetres from the edge of the sign and bear a black symbol on an orange background. O.C. 1222-2004, s. 18. 19. The sign shapes must be as follows : (1) regulatory signs must be rectangular, with the exception of the mandatory stop sign which must be octagonal ; (2) danger and roadwork signs must be diamond-shaped or square, with the exception of hazard markers which must be rectangular. O.C. 1222-2004, s. 19. 20. The sign dimensions must be as follows : (1) rectangular signs : 300 mm x 375 mm ; (2) square and diamond-shaped signs : 300 mm x 300 mm. Despite subparagraph 1 of the first paragraph, the dimensions of D-290-D and D-290-G signs may not be less than 150 mm x 450 mm. Despite subparagraph 2 of the first paragraph, the dimensions of P-10, D-10 and D-50-1 signs may not be less than 450 mm x 450 mm. The dimensions of signs and the symbols and legend displayed on them may be greater than the dimensions prescribed in the first paragraph provided that the dimensions remain in proportion to each other. O.C. 1222-2004, s. 20. 21. All signs must be covered with retroreflective sheeting, with the exception of the black items. O.C. 1222-2004, s. 21. 22. The signs must be visible at all times and be placed on the right side of the trail, facing approaching traffic, not less than 500 millimetres or more than 2 metres from the area reserved for traffic. O.C. 1222-2004, s. 22. 23. The distance between the bottom edge of the sign or tab sign and the level of the trail may not be less than 1 metre or more than 2 metres, unless that distance must be increased to ensure the sign remains visible above snow accumulations. O.C. 1222-2004, s. 23. 24. Regulatory signs must be erected at the places where the requirement applies. Mandatory stop signs (P-10), however, must be placed as close as possible to the beginning of an intersection or road or railway crossing, at a distance of not more than 2 metres. Warning signs, with the exception of D-290-D and D-290-G signs, must be erected between 30 and 100 metres ahead of the obstruction or hazard. O.C. 1222-2004, s. 24. 25. No illustration, publicity or tourist advertisement may be placed on a sign or sign post, or be installed in such a way as to obstruct a sign or signal. O.C. 1222-2004, s. 25. 26. A trail whose lateral boundary lines are not marked by a fence or in another way and every trail which crosses a non-wooded area over a distance of more than 150 metres must be staked by the operator with red markers in the case of a snowmobile trail and with blue markers in the case of an all-terrain vehicle trail. The markers must be placed on both sides of the trail at intervals not exceeding 90 metres. Each marker must be not less than 25 millimetres in diameter and not less than 1.5 metres in height ; the height of a marker must be increased as required to ensure it remains visible above snow accumulations. Each marker must have a strip or plate of a resistant material 25 millimetres in width by 75 millimetres in height securely fixed to its upper edge. The surface of the strip or plate must be white or yellow and be covered with retroreflective sheeting. O.C. 1222-2004, s. 26. This is a 2000$ fine to the club. Want me to send them one?

is this the relay shack just befor Amos?

Club Pengouin and AMp-PSDA are out Grooming trail TQ43 and !/. Some Spur trails are being opened as well!! Be safe out there not all swamps, lakes, creeks, and rivers are frozen.

Where did you see that? Not in my area anyway!!! http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/city/pages/...2_metric_e.html http://www.meteomedia.com/weather/caqc0488 I see montreal at +4.

Oh it's happening and it's happening right NOW.