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Why not head south to fer a cheval or pouvoire des 100 lacs and miss Parent altogether? If you stay at pouvoire des 100 lacs then youre only 450 km to St Raymond the next day. It's a more southern route, but still great trails. Arguably better.

I'd say yes, but a big day. You're over 500 km regardless of which way you go.

You're touch and go. Sounds like Parent to Wemo will open the week of the 23rd. La Tuque clubs site says everything in their area is open, except 355 to the south which you might need. States they are working on it. Similar no reports from the Manawan club yet for TQ33 and RT345. My guess is you'll be ok, but you're not gonna know till right before you are booked to leave.

How busy does this area get on weekends. Will trails be trashed, or do the local clubs keep up? Just mulling our options for a weekend away with the kids.

How busy does this area get on weekends. Will trails be trashed, or do the local clubs keep up? Just mulling our options for a weekend away with the kids.

Most of it was bare ground 7 days ago. Have a little patience. I'm sure you will see changes on the map in the next week. Not all groomer beacons are activated yet.

One of these may have made this lawsuit go in a completely different direction. It's an offroad environment. Not an engineered corridor. The club does not own that land. Do they have the right to remove the stump in question? Not a nice situation for anyone involved. http://quebecrider.com/forums/uploads/monthly_2024_01/image.thumb.png.3bec75ce8745eee77e1e0d784a6f1ca4.png

It's a catch 22. We see the other extreme in Ontario where risk management is so intense (logs, numerous forms, training courses, etc.) it arguably takes club resources and time away from other tasks that that time could be put to. It is a sad state of affairs when volunteers have to worry about being sued just for providing a product to the genrral public. That said I can see this in some ways helping the fcmq deliver better info to riders (maybe more accurate and consistent would be a better way to put it). The trail condtion reporting on the app I find difficult to follow in Quebec. In Ontario the clubs have to report on every trail individually. You get a real picture of what is open and rideable and what isn't. It seems in Quebec the club just lists their entire trail system as open or closed. Albeit by mid season the entire trail system is open, and then the grooming updates are awesome and better then what Ontario provides. But early on having that trail by trail info on what's open is nice. Reality is not all trails open at the same time throughout a clubs boundaries. Hopefully the Quebec clubs rise to the challenge like they always do. Good news is there is plenty of experience in other jurisdictions on these legal issues for the FCMQ to learn from if they decide they need to. I just hope it doesn't hurt the quality of the product that gets put out.

Lol I conceed. You were correct. Keep calling them. We could use s foot more.

Oh tough one. I really haven't done enough QC trips to pick favorites, but will try. 1. RT369, TQ23, TQ83 and TQ3 riding Quebec City to Saguenay and back. Really TQ23 and TQ83 south of Saguenay are the jewels in this loop. 2. Gaspe loop that includes RT595 3. RT386 Swisha to V'al D'or and return via RT309, TQ63 abd TQ43. It's fast and quite remote. Most accomodations are exceptional so no real opinion. My wife did say she doesn't want to go back to Camp de Base in Casey. A touch too rough for her liking. That said I'd stay there again on a guys trip.

Gonna jinx it. Don't count your eggs before they hatch.

It's all when you go. We rode perfect table top smooth trails from Tadoussac all the way to la Chapelle and then down the mountain past the ski resort last spring. Was third week of March and on a Wednesday. At least you're riding. Have a great trip.

Ride them both. Sounds like fun.

Anyone know how the pre-season permit sales numbers (# of permits sold) for this year are compared to past seasons? Are any stats produced by the FCMQ for them?

Starting over there arent they. Bummer. I saw yesterday it was 17 degrees celcius (62 fahrenheit) with 40mm (over an inch) of rain forecast for cap chat in the gaspe. Pretty similar in Forestville across the river. Unreal for this area for December. That's a July day in these towns. Getting cold now. Hopefully, that's the end of it. Time for winter. Some snow did follow the storm in some areas. Not a lot, but a start.

Some impressive infrastructure they built. Hopefully the grooming is up to snuff. Will make this a major attraction to go ride.

There is a club trail connection off of RT 330 that connects down to TQ 3. I remember the corner from our ride last March,but not there being an intersection / south bound trail there. Seems to be the solution to get around it. Who knows. Hopefully just a mapping thing.

Another closure? Whats the story on this one? Takes out ferme 5 etoiles and a gas station.

If history is an indicator more than likely yes. Most seasons they have early season Christmas riding in the area with conditionsthat vary. You're really asking for a weather prediction here 2 - 3 weeks out though. Lots on here will start making crystal ball predictions for 2 weeks from now with this question. Lol.

Anyone have any updates on this stretch. Did the new bridges get finished? Or is it still a ferry service thats needed east of Sept Isles?

Nice!!! So the groomers are rolling. Any idea how far they've been?

Go to Kanawata.

https://www.facebook.com/100080912606430/posts/pfbid02BNTutQKYfeoUnjPPNkfdTT1gMruxBXtzqriCCFBBcTT9PwRJKerCxgoEPC41bhG6l/?app=fbl 75 cm in 24 hrs.

Wow 64 and 73. Young enough to know better. Very sad. Condolences to the family.

So whats the deal if you aren't subscribed / insured with airmedic? They still come and you get a 4 or 5 figure bill for the airlift afterwards? Or will they deny you a flight? Completely agree getting the patient to a road or landing area is the big challenge. Witnessed an incident near home. Injured party was maybe 2 miles from the nearest road / town. Relatively good place in comparison to some of the remote places we get riding. Was a 3 hour process to get medics in, victim stabilized and transported out to the air ambulance on the back of a side by side on a backboard. Medics wouldn't ride in behind me on my sled with 2 up seat. Had to wait for volunteer fire department to give them a ride in. Once in the air ambulance he was at the hospital 200 km away in under an hour. Was a big eye opener on what the extraction process can be. Sold me on a tek vest that day.