Grumpy I doubt the trail will ever pass there again. In the old days the owner was an avid snowmobiler as was most of us, not much chance of the land being sold, it probably just gets handed down. Lots of rumours but originally what I heard was a fight between the owner and the president of the now defunct St Agathe club was the main reason and they had been freinds. Last winter I had the opportunity to sit down with the owner of the Fort west paint ball park who just happened to have the unfortunate luck of buying the Relais des Pin and changing the name around the time of the closure. In discussing the lost trail and asking if he thought there was any chance of getting it open again, he said he had talks with the owner blocking the trail and the owners grand son even worked at Fort West last summer. Turns out that grand son narrowly missed being hit by a speeding snowmobile when he was younger and that prompted the closure. The family apparently has nothing against snowmobiles and nothing against Fort West, they just never want snowmobiles passing on their land again. I guess that fits in with what I heard.